to be taken up trying to resolve the FL and MI primary problem.
From my perspective the party has taken the only opportunity those people had to vote for a "person" in the presidential campaign. In the general run off the electoral college is what the vote is all about.
thoughts?
From my perspective the party has taken the only opportunity those people had to vote for a "person" in the presidential campaign. In the general run off the electoral college is what the vote is all about.
thoughts?
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 4:04 PMI, too, expect a federal action. But I don't see the grounds. Do you have the fundimental right to have your political party honor your state's vote in a primary election? Primaries are, relatively speaking, a new thing. -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 6:45 PMThere is a lot of law that says that if you act like the state ( adopting responsibility for things that the state normally does) then you are the state.
It started with mining town in VA and has recently spread to private prison facilities. The left tried to use it to assert that Malls ( and airports) were places of public accommodation having replaced the main street and parks but that didn't fly.
I'd argue that voting falls into something about as close to a fundamental right as parenting.
If I understand it the party in this instance sought to ignore state law by penalizing the designation of the primary date when it is the state that has the power to decide when it wants to hold it's primary.
So a private entity acted in conflict (but not violation) of state law depriving the citizens of the right to vote.
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:13 PMI don't think anyone disagrees that voting for elected officials is fundamental right. But voting for a partisan party's choice as to who, exactly, will be the candidate for an elective office? That's different.
Put another way: The good people of Florida and Michigan will still be able to vote for president (well, presidental electors; you know what I mean). The DNC did nothing to take away that right. -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 6:03 AMThe primary is the only time you get to vote for a personality. That is the vote they have been denied.
I should think that one could reasonably agree that the ability to vote for a person as opposed to merely weighting the electoral college for a party is no small potatoes.
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:01 PMAgreed, but the political parties are still ultimately private associations.
(And to be very precise: The voters of Florida and Michigan *did* vote in the primaries; we're talking about the DNC's decision to not use the results in its procedures in selecting a nominee.)
IIRC, the Florida legislature and governorship are controlled by Republicans. I think there may be something there to demonstrate the inability of Floridian democrats to comply with the DNC's deadline. -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Sat, May 17, 2008 - 6:13 AM**********(And to be very precise: The voters of Florida and Michigan *did* vote in the primaries; we're talking about the DNC's decision to not use the results in its procedures in selecting a nominee.)*************
Ya sort of. They were informed their vote wouldn't count ahead of the vote and what votes were cast were nullified as advertised.
And of course in MI, Obama's name wasn't on the ballot.
**********IIRC, the Florida legislature and governorship are controlled by Republicans. I think there may be something there to demonstrate the inability of Floridian democrats to comply with the DNC's deadline.******************
That's an interesting twist. Still the state legislature represents the state, partisan dominance or not. And it is the business of the state to determine when it holds it's primaries. The parties are not entitled to direct the states in this or any other matter.
One might argue that this sort of thing only occurs because of a confusion in the law that fails to inform the parties whether they are beholden to the state's time lines or not.
The more I think about it the more I wonder why it wasn't before the courts long before the votes were cast. I'd have thought the descriptor "emergent" would have fit quite nicely. -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:37 AMIf anything, Florida has shown its inability to cast votes properly time and again, so perhaps this is merely electoral Darwinism. : ) -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:30 PMlol.
FL has a Constitutional amendment that will have a Bullet train from Jacksonville to Miami by (I think) 2029.
They needed a Constitutional amendment? How will that make it happen~?
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 4:18 PMWithout know a whit about the legislative process in Florida, I would assume it is an amendment to make it more difficult for a future legislature to undo. -
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Re: I keep expecting a federal action
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 6:23 PMThat sort of makes sense.
So then what if they don't get it done?
I'm licensed in FL, I was a PD In West Palm Beach. I never learned a damn thing about how they pass laws there.
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